Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Carty & Kest Gang Swing & Miss

Today's campaign story demonstrates yet again the arrogance & weakness of Carty & the Kest Gang. When are they going to stop whining?

Legitimate polls may seek out weaknesses of candidates and attempt to ascertain the impact on voters of knowledge of these weaknesses, as well as issues and other facets of a political campaign. Source: National Council on Public Polls

also of interest, a wiki entry on "push polls."

Mayor Ford's pollster sent a letter acknowledging the sample size as 400. The survey also asked for demographic information - which "push polls" never do.

It is perfectly legitimate to discuss Carty's close, long time association with the top deputies of Ray Kest - kudos to The Blade for Monday's front page refresher on John Irish and Domenic Montalto.

Why not discuss Carty's guilty plea on the ethics charge?

Thanks for dividing Democrats, Carty - nice party building going into 2006...

12 Comments:

Blogger Aaron said...

Not that I'm defending Carty...but the party dividers are more accurately the ones who left the official party and created their own Democratic party in the county.

I think this was a push poll based on the questions that were reported. A "sample" of 400 should not be the determining factor by the clean campaign committee. A much smaller sample size could have been used, and whos to say they wouldn't continued the practice if they weren't called on it?

Thanks for the links Frank. They don't exactly back up your case but I didn't remember the example they gave of Bush against McCain, that was so wrong.

As some advice from a constituent, echoed by many others on this forum, lets hear some positive forward thinking from you instead of always Carty bashing. Of course its your blog and your campaign (that was for council, not mayor, right?)

12:10 PM  
Blogger billy said...

Frank, give us all a break - Aaron's completely correct when he says "the party dividers are more accurately the ones who left the official party and created their own Democratic party in the county."

And as far as the ethics charge, what about the ford campaign that has been rebuked TWICE now??

And if you want to get into years past, you wanna talk about naked people on bridges??

12:41 PM  
Blogger Frank said...

Aaron,

Don't be simple, every political poll in the world tests positive & negative messages - it is a competitive world we live in, and is clearly different than telemarketing dirt to a mass audience. Even my grandma knows this from watching The West Wing. Its clearly not a push poll - Carty's people (& you & billy apparently) don't even get it - 400 is actually a smaller sample, not as accurate crosstabs as 500 or 800 would give you. Then again, they actually spent money & time on a poll by mail - testing public opinion as Carty was weakly trying to shape it, as an on-air commentator, comprimising the integrity of 13's newsroom as he ran for office.

And Aaron, we didn't divide the party, the "party" sent us letters proclaiming us "banished" - funniest letter you'll ever read.

2:27 PM  
Blogger liberal_dem said...

Aaron- where have you been for the past 9 months, Australia??

And Billy, you too!

2:33 PM  
Blogger Frank said...

I'll concede this, several hundred voters have always determined whether Carty won or lost - so they should be nervous.

2:49 PM  
Blogger -Sepp said...

Frank, why the constant bashing of Dom? You're supposed to be on the same side fer chrissakes. Montalto has done more to get democrats elected in the last 30 years than anyone else I can think of. Ive known Dom for about 25 years and can only say the guy is nothing less than honorable...and I'm a conservative!

3:17 PM  
Blogger Paulo said...

Why do you always have to be so negative all the time? How about you talk about the positives in this city? Maybe it will make people more proud of the city instead of making people ashamed to live here because of events and political figures, such as yourself.

4:43 PM  
Blogger Paulo said...

Why do you always have to be so negative all the time? How about you talk about the positives in this city? Maybe it will make people more proud of the city instead of making people ashamed to live here because of events and political figures, such as yourself.

4:44 PM  
Blogger billy said...

Carty is a party divider? by all Ive seen, heard, and read, the city's been more unified than it ever has!

Frank's only problem is the vast majority of said unified city is on the other team!

After last weekend it looks like even the central city is looking over to the carty camp!

Oh well, either way we'll know for sure in two weeks.

And Paulo - as far as speaking positive? Read the other posts frank's put out here - count the negative ones vs the postive ones. Heck, to start going positive they'd have to rework the entire Ford campaign strategy.

Dont believe me? ask the fair campaign committee!!

4:53 PM  
Blogger Aaron said...

"funniest letter you'll ever read"

Where does one read said letter, I'll decide how funny it is. I'm not clear on how the Democratic party can actually ban people from its midst, doesn't sound very democratic. Sounds downright scandalous, and in need of reform. Perhaps you can reveal the democratic method of party leadership, endorsements, and official affiliation.

As for the survey, when one of the questions asks if 3 prominent figures endorsing your candidate would affect their opinion, when two of those didn't endorse, that is neither positive or negative. It is flat out deception.

As for calling me simple, anyone who knows me just lost whatever respect they had for your judgement. You call me simple and then suggest I could learn something about politics by watching a TV drama?

1:32 PM  
Blogger Frank said...

When I get to a computer I will remove that post. Always amused by anonymous people calling other people chicken. That old rumor was stale during the 01 race Jack won --- and won't you be sorry if he wins this one too.

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