Friday, September 09, 2005

Does it sound like he's changed?

First, Carty shoots his mouth off threatening the redevelopment at Westgate.

Now he insults a professional developer actively recruiting investment into South Toledo.

The combined economic impact to our city of the demolition, construction and renewed commercial activity at Westgate and Southwyck is in the hundreds of millions. We are getting it done, the previous administration had its chance, and instead of supporting progress on jobs and investments, Carty is traveling his well worn path of division and selfishness. Sadly, it's more of the same old "ready, shoot, aim" Carty.


Blogger billy said...

I just dont think retail is what this city needs to prop itself up. Retail should follow growth in industry, not the other way around.

This split in the democratic party is very interesting to watch. Carty will not get my vote, but he will win. What will all you A teamers do then?

I suspect you'll all change your tunes as fast as Wilkie went from Pro Jack to Anti Jack.

7:51 AM  
Blogger liberal_dem said...

Indeed he is, Frank. You have to remember Carty's upbringing and background: he was a Republican from Perrysburg. During his early years as a Republican he lived their philosophy and I am convinced that he is a Republican in Democratic clothing.

I got involved in his run for Congress in the early 70's [my wife attended one of his 'teas' and hooked me to help] and I walked door-to-door for him. Carty would walk in the middle of the street and we would knock on the doors. He instructed us to tell them that he was an INDEPENDENT Republican, strong emphasis on INDEPENDENT.

Frank- Carty is a chameleon, able to change his 'party' to suit the environment he is in.

By the way, I think I saw one of those Republican American flags in his lapel during the Ch. 13 debates. Did you catch that?

7:54 AM  
Blogger Frank said...

billy, I think your wrong on this one. carty's same old divisive style is again getting public display - he won't be able to dodge 4 debates/forums in the general. And lib_dem, your right...Finkbeiner has never lifted a finger to help Democrats win - even printing the word Democrat on his yard sign is an insult. Have confidence, he and his Kest gangers have a rich history of blowing it.

9:02 AM  
Blogger Subcomandante Bob said...

Speaking of the C-man, we were out driving in the sticks last night blasting speed limit signs with his 12-guage when he got an idea for downtown revitalization.

"Bob," he shouted, "what downtown really needs is a fitness facility. If there had been one during my term of office, I might not have had to undergo heart surgery."

He lifted himself up to get a better shot at another sign, and the 12-guage let out a tremendous roar.

"Yes, downtown workers are limited in their options for exercise, unless you count running from muggers," he said. "I'll bet I have a campaign supporter who would be willing, with some tax abatements, to set up a first-class exercise facility in a certain over-leveraged building."

Ah, that C-man, what a dreamer. Always a sucker for spending money the city doesn't have.

He took aim and let loose a double-barreled volley at an abandoned pickup truck, managing to take out both the front and rear windshields with the same shot. The C-man has developed into quite a marksman since getting his CCW a few months ago.

Grinning, he turned to me and gave me that crazed look, the one that usually causes me to run.

"Let's drive by Jack's house," he said. "Think he's up at this time of night?"

9:45 AM  
Anonymous -Sepp said...

“Larry Dillin, in my judgment, is simply looking out for the interests of Levis Commons,” Mr. Finkbeiner said. “I don’t think he wants competition” at Southwyck.

That isn't insulting. That looks more like blunt honesty. There could be a windfall of money for the developers that tackle southwyck. (why didn't Jackson and Ball jump on that opportunity?)

The real pi$$er here is that none of the guys running for mayor gave a spit until the election year.
Carty and Rob were in office when things at S-wyck were good and during it's beginning decline and Jack is trying to stuff 3 years of inactivity into this year. I doubt any of these guys would give a spit if it weren't an election year.

11:15 AM  
Blogger liberal_dem said...

The real pi$$er here is that none of the guys running for mayor gave a spit until the election year.

Wrong. Ford has been shuttling to Chicago trying to meet with Dillin and discuss the Southwyck problem for some time.

9:35 PM  
Blogger billy said...

Interesting comment today from Lemon's column - "A request from loyal reader Jim: “I urge you to mention 9/11/01 in your upcoming column. No, not the terrorist attacks — the molasses-like pace of the Marina District project [which Toledo voters gave the green light to that day]. ... Wouldn’t it be ironic if a whole election cycle passes and Carty gets to pick up right where he left off?”

As a columnist, Lemon's pretty pi$$-poor, but then again - this comment wasnt from him.

Aside fm that, this is one of the main things that's gonna fry Ford in the election - he can SAY what he wants about the marina district, he can SAY things about the Sports arena, about Costco, about Southwyck, about the Steam plant... But we've heard him SAY things the whole time he's been in office. As yet, its all still on paper. Those auto parts supply places - are they here, or are they COMING?

He uses Walmart and Depot on his website as slams against Carty, but name me one city today of this size that DOESNT have a Home Depot? Carty got em done. And it scares the hell outta me because that loon is gonna be back in One government center again.

I agree with all the Carty slams on this board - except frank's incessant attempt at trying to include Kest with Carty (dude, you have to let that drop - it aint working) - but the slams on this board are all just like what I said about Jack above - theyre all just words.

I wish to hell I knew who to vote for on tuesday.

8:26 AM  
Blogger Frank said...

we'll see about that

9:19 AM  
Blogger liberal_dem said...

I wish to hell I knew who to vote for on tuesday.

Oh Billy, you are such a closet Republican! Come on, we're not buying this nonsense. Just pull all of the R levers as you always do and be done with it.

12:22 PM  
Blogger billy said...

What closet? I AM a republican -along with about 20% of the city's population. I have never voted a straight ticket in my life, and on this forum I post my opinions and try to back them up as best I can. What I am not is playing the hate game with you LD. Sorry. If you've got something to say along the lines of frank's post, I'll be happy to talk with you on it.

12:55 PM  
Anonymous -Sepp said...

Shuttling back and forth? Since when? Oh yeah, now I remember it was when he touted using Toledo express airport and then flew out of Detroit metro the next day. Like Billy said, all we get from the guy is talk. 4 years of "I plan to's" , "we're gonnas" and "I wills" and very seldom do we hear "I did". Face it, jack has been a do nothing mayor. THATS why Carty's signs say "CARTY GETS RESULTS". If Jack had been the mayor the entire time that he started being in January for the election year, the tune would be different.

3:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who needs a marina district not toledo

8:32 PM  
Anonymous Tontogany Phil said...

This is as easy as Monica Lewinski.

If you don't want Carty Finkbiner to be mayor, then vote for Wilkowski, because he might beat Finkbiner.

Ford can't beat Finkbiner. He can't even beat Ludeman. Maybe he could beat Opal Covey, but who cares?

If Ford wins the primary, you might just as well give the keys to mayor's office over to Finkbiner.

8:36 PM  
Blogger historymike said...

Look: Finkbeiner could be beaten by Ford, Ludeman, or Wilkowski.

Show me a mayoral race where Finkbeiner has garnered more than 51% of the vote. (Hint: it can't be done).

While Carty may have an early lead, he has never been invincible in his two "strong mayor" campaigns; he has only pulled just enough votes to win.

Ford is the incumbent, and that should never be forgotten. The so-called "negatives" that Ford supposedly possesses are not very compelling reasons for voters to dump him:

"He's not done very much"; "He is not very charismatic"; "He is not very visible" are the sorts of things I hear from voters (admittedly, there are some voters angry about the smoking ban, or purported favoritism toward Jimmy Jackson, but when I talk to voters they are overwhelmingly focused on Jack's "invisibility").

Note: I am writing in terms of electability, not my personal views, so keep the debate about this post focused on the dispassionate assessment.

Jack can beat Carty; Nick Wichowski (then a nobody) almost beat Carty, and Mike Ferner (a very radical Democrat) almost beat Carty.

Ford, Ludeman, and Wilkowski are each stronger candidates (in terms of electability) than Ferner and Wichowski, in my opinion.

Don't let early polls (which reflect mostly name recognition) fool you into thinking Finkbeiner is unbeatable. The question really should be which of the 3 is most likely to beat Finkbeiner.

10:20 PM  

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