Monday, July 25, 2005

Clinton in Ohio Calls For Dem Unity

LIVE BLOG FROM COLUMBUS - Sen Hillary Clinton of NY has started her speech painting a picture of the American Dream in 2020.

"A message of hope & freedom." "We've given our police & firefighters what they need."
"Mayor Coleman's son in Iraq." "voluntary national service has also helped protect the homeland." "Its not us against them, its a world united after finishing off the terrorists. beat tyrrany & nihilism." "we'll take tough action, including eliminating poverty.

She's talking health care. "All Americans should have access to preventative healthcare. Must stop hurting American business by forcing them to shoulder such a great burden." "patient centered Health care. cutting administrative costs. incentives to prevent childhood obesity & other unhealthy practices.

Reduce barriers to middle class & poor access to higher education.

Fiscal responsibility.

Parents given more tools to do hardest job in America.

Not substituting ideology & politics for science. No cloning, reverse ban on stem cell research. Beat Parkinsons & Juvenile Diabetes.

Trade agreements would require 'economic impact statements' on how they effect America.

Spending more than ever on research & development.

We welcome relationships based on love. Reduce number of abortions, protect women's choices on reproductive health.

All our votes get counted in 2020."

"In 4 years, they've taken our bridge to the 21st century and turned it into a tunnel to the 19th century. Let's unite Democrats."

She closed very strongly, sounding the moderate tone that got her husband elected President twice. In a sentiment that Lucas County Dems should take to heart, she called for cease fire among Dem factions, and unite to defeat the far right and lead the country progressively. And her last line: "There is nothing better than making dreams come true."


Anonymous Sepp said...

Sen Clinton's version of socialised medicine has been tried in Canada, France and Germany to name a few places. My Canadian friends see doctors in Michigan. My first daughter was born in Germany at a German hospital. our son was born here in Toledo. Night and day comparison of the facilities and quality of care. While vacationing in Paris, my friend developed a kidney stone. "NEVER AGAIN" was his response to ever getting medical treatment in France. And Sen Clinton's dream is to creat the same system here? HA! No thanks!
Parents getting the tools to do their job? The child tax credit the democrats tried so hard to kill woud have been a start.
Ther is no "BAN" on stem cell research, just a ban from government funding. Why aren't the drug companies or private scientiffic firms pursuing such important research? I doubt not having federal dollars ever stopped a company from making medical breakthroughs before. We can eliminate poverty when we eliminate laziness and make owning a business in the USA profitable again.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul Krugman has an interesting column in today's New York Times in which he dissects Toyota's decision to build a new mini SUV plant in Ontario.

A major reason: Canada's health care system, which provides excellent care at a much lower cost per patient than the U.S. system.

Steve Fought
Toledo, Ohio

8:37 PM  
Blogger Lisa Renee said...

Sepp, I disagree, we pay more here but that doesn't equate better quality health care.

I'd recommend this:

Science Daily

While I'm not recommending the US become Canada, there are alternatives that address why the cost of health care and insurance are so high that could make a huge difference.

9:03 PM  
Anonymous Sepp said...

Toyota's decision was probably a no brainer. Toyota would not be paying very much health insurance since the worker pays for it via taxes into a socialized system. Ask about the waiting list for major surgury. We go over the border for cheap drugs and they come over for medical care. There has to be a trade off in that somewhere. I witnessed firsthand European socialized medicine and how the system works. Medical and dental care is close too 25 years behind the U.S in quality of care. My wife could attest to this better since she gave birth in a German hospital in what seemed like 3rd world conditions when compared to having a child at Toledo hospital. Night and day. One alternative to the high cost of medical care in the U.S is to curb the abuses to the insurance system. At one time I had no insurance and had to take a child to the doctor. The price quoted to me for booster shots and a check-up amazed me. When I explained that I had no insurance, I was given a different price that was affordable. Seems that just like collision repair, doctors will try to hit the insurance company harder because they can get away with it.

12:25 AM  
Blogger Lisa Renee said...

I disagree, let me give you an example. My husband got a bill from St. Luke's hospital. There was a mix up as to insurance versus workman's comp paying for the visit so his insurance company rejected the bill. We got a bill for 898.56 from St. Luke's Hospital that we were told to pay in full. In calling the insurance company the mix up was resolved, but when the statement from the insurance company came they only paid 214.45 of the bill, the rest was "forgotten" by an agreement with the hospital and the insurance company. This is not the first time I have seen this happen. Every time I go to the doctors office I pay my co-pay, and the doctor is paid a lower fee than what is his "listed" price.

So there are two levels of health care prices, one set for those who are being paid by insurance companies and then? The uninsured who do not get a cheaper bargin the majority of the time.

1:14 AM  
Anonymous Sepp said...

Well Lisa, that was not a story that I "heard from a friend" it happened to me! Another problem I saw in Germany was employers requiring a doctor visit for missing work and, employees seeing their doctor for any old reason just to get the doctor's excuse and a day or 2 off. The system was clogged with people seeing the doc and going to the hospital for jammed fingers and stubbed toes. Why shouldn't they? It's "free"!

6:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank, I am suprised that you are there. I thought you were a member of the progressive Democrats, not the moderate DLC. Carty is a DLC type of Democrat. The progressive Democrats present a much more liberal agenda, while the DLC is viewed by many to be, to coin a phrase from Howard Dean, "Republican-lite"? I hope you are not straddling both sides of the fence here.

11:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party and the wing that gets candidates elected agree that the health care system in America needs a major overhaul.

7:14 PM  
Blogger Frank said...

Carty isn't any kind of Democrat anymore.

Look, Democrats think, disagree, argue and fight. The Republican Party, with so much less diversity and so much more ideology, enjoys fewer internal diagreements.

When national Democrats come to Ohio, I want to hear what they have to say, to see who shows to listen to them, and who doesn't.

The DLC has a mixed record in my book, but so does the liberal wing of the party. I choose to focus on what we have in common, which side has the most practical solutions to our country's problems. I like the traditionally DLC approach to policies that balance rights and responsibilities - I just wish they applied that to their trade policy and approach to education - which to me is too closely aligned with corporate America at the expense of working families.

9:30 PM  
Blogger Lisa Renee said...

Sepp, it's obvious we have differing personal experiences when it comes to healthcare, which is why I presented mine as an example. I didn't question that yours happened, just that my experience was different.

As far as the unity issue, I agree with Frank that during the primaries things are always more divided. Kerry vs Dean, Bush vs McCain. It reminds me of growing up with my younger sister. I could of course pick on her, but no one else could. Should it go as low as it does sometimes? No, but it happens. All you can hope is that at the end you find a way to re-unite on what common goals you do have.


9:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please get off your high horse with the term "corporate America." People, like me and most people, make up and work in "corporate America." Most jobs are created by "corporate America." The fact that I've had some success (through hard work and, by the way, a mom and dad who were union members) does not mean that I've somehow "cheated" some guy who works on the line at the Jeep plant -- many of whom I went to Woodward with. It's not my fault he did not work as hard in high school or pay his way through college. This is exactly the type of talk that people refer to when they say Toledo is not friendly to business or, in your terms, "corporate America." O-I is "coporate America." O-C is "corporate America." Dana is "corporate America." You like "corporate America's" tax dollars to run the schools and pay for fire and police, but then slam "corporate America" when it's politically expedient. We're not the enemy folks -- although I'm beginning to feel that we are not welcome in Szollosi's vision of Toledo.

10:41 PM  
Blogger Frank said...

Good point, I'll dismount.

I'm glad they employ thousands of people in Toledo, and we are working every week to attract more business and jobs are certainly welcome in Szollosi's vision of Toledo.

11:15 PM  
Blogger Subcomandante Bob said...

Senator Clinton and I once served together in the French Foreign Legion. In fact, she saved my life by throwing herself on a grendade.

True story.

She lost 6 pints of blood, and almost died. However, she has a tremendous will to live; her gutsy story of recovery and hope should be an inspiration to us all.

I paid her back by blocking for her on the Georgia Bulldogs. She played halfback and I was fullback, but you probably know her by the name she played under: Herschel Walker.

Bet you didn't know that was her, did you?

OK, I made all of this up.

6:13 PM  
Blogger Salome said...

Among the eight components of a CSHP model are Physical Education and Family and Community Involvement. GAO studies show that the program strategy identified by experts as most important to prevent or reduce childhood obesity is "increasing physical activity," and that parental and social support for physical activity is associated with increased physical activity.

6:39 AM  

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